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This is an enormous machine that uses the pressure exerted by deep ocean water pressure... Please see my attached images to get an idea of how it works... if you have any questions, or if I need to clarify something, send me a message or leave a comment and I will respond... It will be too difficult for me to try and explain it all in writing...
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I understand that this is a huge project, but it needs to have as much detail as possible... I am going to allow any modifications as long as it results in an improvement in functionality of the system... remember, this is only a hypothetical machine, so I don't expect it to ever be an actual real machine, as long as it looks like it is working, that's all that matters...
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#9 Deep Water Generator (Hypothetical)_concept-02
by supra77
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Sep 29, 2022 10:12
#6 Deep Water Generator (Hypothetical)
by sherifelsheikh
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Sep 22, 2022 20:32
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I just want this machine to look as realistic as possible... I know it's not going to work, but I want to make it look like a real machine that is working, with as much detail as possible...
(Attn: wiktorw) I would like an animated version of my machine, with as much detail as possible...
(Attn: knair01) I am having no problems opening my gif files, and I have not received any similar complaints from anyone else... I don't think my gif files are corrupted, I think the problem is on your end...
(Attn: Samadoni) Thank you for that information, your kind words, and encouragement... I will admit that I was not aware of that specific distinguishment, I will try to "apply" that terminology (no pun intended... hehe)
@ williamm5
There's an actual name for such a class of "Hypothetical Machines" in applied physics, it's called _"A Perpetual Motion Machine of First Kind"_ ...
If you use that terminology, a lot of folks will be way less confused by your attempts (as good as they are) to explain what it is :)
Nevertheless, don't let anyone stand in the way of your creative streak mate 👍
There's an actual name for such a class of "Hypothetical Machines" in applied physics, it's called _"A Perpetual Motion Machine of First Kind"_ ...
If you use that terminology, a lot of folks will be way less confused by your attempts (as good as they are) to explain what it is :)
Nevertheless, don't let anyone stand in the way of your creative streak mate 👍
Hi, are you asking me to animate your machine design (in blender?) or to help you to design a machine which looks like it is generating power (hypothetically)? If so, I could come up with a few ideas and model and animate them with your help (which ideas to use). I am interested in completing this project
The GIFs seem to be corrupted so I am not able to view them properly.
I will do it.
Just for fixing ideas let’s assume we have a bucket chain (those buckets are bottles actually) with 10 bottles per meter (excuse my French…), each bottle could be filled (or emptied) with 1 Liter of water, having a total buoyant force of 10 kg per meter. I mean, each section of one meter in the downside is 10 kg heavier than the correspondent section in the upside.
If we have a circulation speed of 1 m/s (2.2 miles/h) we have an available power of 98 W per meter of upside section. By the way: the available power does not depend on deepness.
The water inside the bottles needs to be emptied once the bottle arrives to the bottom. The required pumping energy is 1 L x 2500 psi = 1.724 x 10^4 Joules, or if you prefer, in 10 bottles running at 1 m/s the pumping power is 1.724 x 10^5 W. (172 kW) per meter. This power depends directly on deepness. It would be better to have shallow systems, but even with 2.5 PSI (1.6 meter) the required pumping power is 172 W.
The intended system takes more energy than it gives.
One salving concept would be: if we make that one bottle going down (and being filled with water) pumping the air into another bottle (some meters above) that is going up.
In this case the calculation is more complex because the buoyancy force varies with the height. The exercise is left to the interested reader.
Initially the concept does not look very promising. I am sorry.
If we have a circulation speed of 1 m/s (2.2 miles/h) we have an available power of 98 W per meter of upside section. By the way: the available power does not depend on deepness.
The water inside the bottles needs to be emptied once the bottle arrives to the bottom. The required pumping energy is 1 L x 2500 psi = 1.724 x 10^4 Joules, or if you prefer, in 10 bottles running at 1 m/s the pumping power is 1.724 x 10^5 W. (172 kW) per meter. This power depends directly on deepness. It would be better to have shallow systems, but even with 2.5 PSI (1.6 meter) the required pumping power is 172 W.
The intended system takes more energy than it gives.
One salving concept would be: if we make that one bottle going down (and being filled with water) pumping the air into another bottle (some meters above) that is going up.
In this case the calculation is more complex because the buoyancy force varies with the height. The exercise is left to the interested reader.
Initially the concept does not look very promising. I am sorry.
Why isn't anyone paying attention to the fact that this is a HYPOTHETICAL MACHINE!!!!!!! I understand that it has flaws and would never actually work!!!!!! I just want the idea to be illustrated the way I have designed it... think of it as more of an art project than an actual model...
Hi. A very interesting concept, but unfortunately I will not be submitting any solutions. I think the concept has flaws.
Firstly, the energy needed to compress the air will be huge, (The water pressure increases by 15psi (1 atmosphere) every 33ft of depth). So why not use the compressor to pressurize the gas direct?
Secondly, to find water that is 1 mile deep is likely to be in the oceans somewhere, which means the equipment will have to be mounted on a boat, or an oil platform and the weather at sea could cause damage to the equipment. And then there is the cost of transporting the gas to the shore, etc.
Sorry.
Rob
Firstly, the energy needed to compress the air will be huge, (The water pressure increases by 15psi (1 atmosphere) every 33ft of depth). So why not use the compressor to pressurize the gas direct?
Secondly, to find water that is 1 mile deep is likely to be in the oceans somewhere, which means the equipment will have to be mounted on a boat, or an oil platform and the weather at sea could cause damage to the equipment. And then there is the cost of transporting the gas to the shore, etc.
Sorry.
Rob
That is why this is called a "HYPOTHETICAL DEVICE"... it is NOT meant to be a "perpetual" or "over unity" device... simply a creative concept... please don't get distracted with whether or not this system would ACTUALLY work in the real world... I don't need people to tell me that it won't work, because I am already fully aware of that fact...
it is impractical because the energy consumption to ascending and descending piston or to fill the balast tank with pumping gas is grater than the energy that the pistons transfer to generator.
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