#32 Invisible suspenders by Stella X
Mar 1, 2019 16:28
#15 Invisible suspenders by Stella X
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Feb 28, 2019 2:53
#23 Invisible suspenders by Stella X
Feb 28, 2019 23:11

Discussion

MAS

Buyer

Sun, 03 Mar 2019 23:43:47 +0000
Hi Stella -- ok, thanks!

Stella X

Designer

Sun, 03 Mar 2019 14:42:45 +0000
Hi Mike, Thanks for letting me know. If you have any suggestions please let me know.

I have another idea for the concept and will possibly submit another one later.

MAS

Buyer

Sun, 03 Mar 2019 14:19:34 +0000
Hi Stella, thanks for your latest entry! The concept is definitely feasible, so I'll keep it in consideration for the contest.

MAS

Buyer

Fri, 01 Mar 2019 01:24:10 +0000
Hi Stella - I'm not sure if I can give you any additional direction that would get this design closer to something feasible.

As a designer, it's important for you to put yourself in the consumer's shoes, and think about how you would put it on, where you would put it, and how thick it should be.

If something is going to sit between the body and the inside pants waistline, when there is not much room anyway, the assembly would have to be fairly thin (5-7mm) to be practical to use in multiple places. If any thicker, the material, shape, and position would have to be very well thought out.

Your drawings make the assembly look like a square, which I can't see how that would work on the inside of a waistline -- it's just not ergonomically designed to contour with the body.

Again, you have to put yourself in the consumer's shoes, and ask yourself how would this solution feel if you were wearing it.

I hope that helps.

Stella X

Designer

Fri, 01 Mar 2019 01:07:22 +0000
Hi Mike,
Sorry I misunderstood about the thickness. Could you advise the ideal thickness you want? I can make changes.

Version 2 the has 3 parts, the under part with a pocket for the pin, a flat head pin and the upper part. Version 3 has two parts: the under part pushes the part of shirt into the top part thus lock them. I left around 1.5 mm gap for the top part so it has room for part of the shirt.

Please advise if you have further questions or have suggestions for me.

Thanks!
Stella

MAS

Buyer

Fri, 01 Mar 2019 00:49:46 +0000
Hi Stella,

I'm not sure how these new variations are supposed to work.

Also, they look even thicker than your previous concept, which is just the opposite of where the design direction needs to go.

Can you explain?

Stella X

Designer

Thu, 28 Feb 2019 23:21:10 +0000
Hi Mike,
Thanks for your encouragement. I submitted two versions: one uses pin while the other version you bunch up part of shirt and lock it with the top part. The overall dimensions for V2 is 1" x 0.62" x 1" and V3 is 1" x 0.62" x 1.3".
Please let me know if you have any suggestions or questions.
Thanks,
Stella

MAS

Buyer

Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:59:39 +0000
Hi Stella, I'm open to all ideas, so if you'd like to submit another concept, I would love to see it :)

Mike

Stella X

Designer

Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:49:22 +0000
Hi, Thank you for letting me know what you think. If you think using pin is an option please let me know so I will resubmit.

Thanks,
Stella

MAS

Buyer

Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:41:41 +0000
Hi Stella -- thanks again for the description/information.

At the moment, I'm not sure how this design approach would be significantly better than Magnetuck, so I don't think this direction will be worth exploring further.

People have tried using magnets for shirt tucking & keeping pants up for some time, but none of them seem to have made any notable traction in the marketplace.

Because of that, I can't see how a similar solution would be more well received.

Hope that makes sense.

Stella X

Designer

Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:29:22 +0000
Thanks for your comments and questions. Here are my answers:

The slots serves 1) as extra bumper so they are more flexible and softer on the skin 2) as an alternative option to use strap (elastic, sometime people wear in sports for strengthening, protection etc.), not necessary suspender straps. If using with straps it is for inside the pants.

If the assembly has the optimum size to the weight and tightness of pants I believe it will work. If you wear the assembly with the outside piece outside the pants the inside piece works to stop pants from dropping, the outside piece is just for holding the two parts together.

Re the oval shape - You are right! I can change it into a rectangular parts. I thought the shape maybe more comfortable on the skin. Please advise if you would like me to modify and resubmit. Thanks!

Re Magnetuck - I did not know they existed. From the look of it I think theirs too small that do not do the job? If you think it might work better we can change to use pins (silicon parts + pin with disk bottom) Mine has a bigger bumper.

Dimensions can be adjusted. I usually start with smallest as it is easier to make it bigger later on.

If you think this can work and pick me as a potential winner, I can upload the file for you to 3D print and test them and work with you to modify them as you needed. Then get the drawings ready for small batch productions.

Please feel free if I have not answered all of your questions or if you have further questions. Thanks!

MAS

Buyer

Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:27:05 +0000
Thanks for that information.

A few additional comments/questions:

1. What purpose do the slots serve on the inner piece? You mentioned "insert a strap". Are you referring to the possible use with actual suspender straps? If this was placed on the inside/outside of the shirt, then the straps would pull up the shirt. If this was placed on the inside/outside of the pants waistline (i.e. ornaments could be shown), if I'm visualizing it correctly, 1) the assembly itself couldn't hold up the pants, 2) you'd have to wear suspender straps on the outside of the shirt.

2. If you wore this assembly with the outer piece on the outside of the pants (let's assume it sits at the middle of the waistline horizontally), then I'm not sure how it helps keep the pants up.

3. If the assembly was attached to the shirt, and was placed in a position to be under the waistline, to create a ridge, the oval shape doesn't seem to be a practical shape with a waistline that is straight.

4. If this assembly was essentially similar to Magnetuck, what new functionality or improved usability does this bring to the table? Magentuck doesn't even work well with magnets, so how can this be better?

5. If the inner piece is 0.94cm (0.37"), and you'd place one on each side, that would equate to about 0.75" (just shy of an inch width) that we'd take away from how the pants fit on the waistline. Depending on the material used, that may impact the user experience of putting those inner pieces next to the body.

Maybe you can provide some visuals that demonstrate the use of this more clearly.

Thanks!

Stella X

Designer

Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:04:07 +0000
Hi, Thanks for your comment!

I wasn't aware of Magnetuck. I was doubting about the use of magnets myself but it seemed easiest to use. The current model could use a pin with a base. I can modify the top piece to accommodate that. I also thought about the pieces connect like cufflinks if holes in pants become popular :)

The inner piece is 2.49 x 1.61 x 0.94 cm. The outer piece is 2.49 x 1.61 x 0.42 cm. Overall it is 1" x 0.6" x 0.54". The dimensions can be changed. If made bigger, the magnets might work better. If you would like any changes or have suggestions please advise. Thanks!

MAS

Buyer

Thu, 28 Feb 2019 05:09:10 +0000
Hi, thanks for your entry!

How is this design different than Magnetuck?

Magnetuck uses a similar approach, with magnets, but it doesn't work very good because the magnets can slide apart with very little effort

Example of magnets sliding apart easily:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i709BqVN8EU

Also what is the overall thickness of this 4-part assembly (2 parts, 2 magnets)?

Thanks!